The Official "No Tony In Day 8" Thread

[elecktra1983]

sorry but let me ask something do you have L C D computer i do so i can read what i wrote just because i only french and english does not mean i can read what i wrote and unsterstanding as well my english is good

[Kasia]

Your English is fine, but your lack of punctuation or paragraphing makes it very difficult to understand you.

[J_A]

Tony was in the pilot episode of Season 1. We watched him go from a snotty co-worker to a betrayed boyfriend, from a level-headed director to loving husband, from a convicted "criminal" to the grave, and back again. We've been yanked around on the yoyo that is Tony for 6 seasons of 24 (not Season 6). Don't you think Tony should be there in the end?

Can I get a hells yeah!!!!

Hells yeah, of course.

Maybe he will. If there is a S9, maybe they're saving it for that. ... or screwing with us.

[J_A]

sorry but let me ask something do you have L C D computer i do so i can read what i wrote just because i only french and english does not mean i can read what i wrote and unsterstanding as well my english is good

lack of punctuation tends to drive people crazy... we all try to understand people, no matter how good or bad their english is, but you should make the effort and try to make it easier for us to understand you. and leaving out punctuation signs is doing the exact opposite. your writing everything as if it were just one sentence is not only making understanding you difficult, but it forces us to invest a lot more time in reading your posts, and trying to figure out where the punctuation signs are supposed to go, in order to make sense of your post. even if your english were perfect, adding punctuation would make things easier for everyone.

[J_A]

Given how seriously the show takes the release of information related to character returns and such, I also doubt that Carlos would have released this statement without the blessing of FOX and the showrunners. So either it's true and was released in good faith or else it's possibly the most mean-spirited manipulation of fans in the history of broadcasting! I don't like to think the show would disrespect its fan base by playing us for fools in this manner, but I suppose anything's possible. Hell, if it means Tony really will be back, I'd be willing to forgive and forget pretty easily

yeah, I suppose that at this point, I'd kinda wish it was an intentional manipulation, but on the other hand, I'd feel pretty mindfucked and disrespected if that were the case. carlos's non-denial and non-admittal throughout this year has led us all to believe that yes, he'd be back, because we all - some more than others - had by now gotten used to his evasiveness and had thought that his surviving S5 meant he'd be back in play until the last second of the show ticked out... well... I guess we won't know for sure until that last second does tick out, but for now, my working hypothesis is that the statement carlos released was true. maybe he really did get tired of not being able to say anything, while he's in fact moved on. time will tell.

[Cee]

You may find this interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/24season8-news-almeida-returns





Sorry, I had to. >_>
Yes, I feel very very bad now, but I'm secretly grinning. -_-

[Kasia]

Did I miss something? That link appears to direct to Rick Astley on youtube?

[Cee]

>_< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling
Was a stupid joke -_-

[elecktra1983]

I GET NERVOUS ALL THE TIME WHILE I WRITE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PONTUACTION ANYWAY I DID SIGN THE PETITION AS WELL BY THE WHILE IM WRITING THIS I WAS WACTHING 24 IN RERUN ON TV RIGHT NOW SEASON 7 DONT WORRY ITS NOT IN YOUR COUNTRY THEY PASS THE SEASON 7 ON MINE TWICE ON THUESDAYS NiGHT AT 9 PM AND ON SUNDAYS NIGHTS AT 11 PM THAT WAS IN CASE I MISS IT ON THUESDAYS

[Kasia]

WHILE I WRITE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PONTUACTION

Clearly not.

[Cee]

WHILE I WRITE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PONTUACTION

Clearly not.

Too funny.

And by the way, Kasia, you've been Rick Rolled. >_>
Sorry again for the stupid joke. A lot of people on message boards have been making this joke. They telll you to click on a link, that directs you to a Rick Astley video. I was Rick Rolled when I was looking for a video of The Sopranos on youtube. Despite the title of the video saying "The Sopranos", the video of Rick Astley started to play. I was like WTF. LOL.
Yeah, the internet is weird.

[Avery]

I've missed a lot of the action over the past few weeks because I've been virtually stuck with my phone/mom's computer when she's not using it (and I've needed the break as there's been a lot of drama going on in my life right now), but it might have been for the best because it gave me a chance to think things over and calm down a bit. Not that I'm not still incredibly angry but I've at least come to some conclusions.

1. This is not a ruse. I'm 99.99% sure of that. The 24 producers, while manipulative at times, have never outright lied before, and I actually can't think of any major television showrunners that have intentionally and outright lied to their fans. Misdirection, sure, but saying "Tony will not be returning" and then bringing him back would cross that line. More than that, even if the producers were willing to go that route, I highly doubt Carlos would participate.

2. That said, it's not entirely impossible that he won't make an appearance in the final episodes. Carlos did say "never say never" and while the odds are most definitely against us, a final appearance in the last couple of episodes is not out of the question. Personally, I'm not sure that that's the right way to go; unless they have a valid reason for bringing him back and a solid storyline for him, it's only too likely that it would be a purely gratuitious way of throwing the fans a bone. I don't want to see him for a scene or two in a cell on death row. This season was supposed to be about redemption, and that's not really possible for Tony in such a short arc.

3. Assuming he doesn't come back, I'd be slightly mollified if he wasn't at least entirely ignored. I told Kasia that I'd love a reference to Jack visiting Tony in prison, and I think there are some great parallels to play with given Tony's last stint in jail. While I'd assumed they'd be played out with Tony actually onscreen, it's not entirely impossible that there can't be some reference to them. I think it's too much to hope for that Jack has been trying to get Tony out and frankly I don't think that he would but I'd like to know that the Brotherhood wasn't left behind in those final scenes of s7. Personally, I'd LOVE for the final scene of the season to be Jack sitting down in a holding room and having Tony brought in for them to discuss the events of the day, but if this is the final season I'm pretty sure it will end with Jack, Kim, and baby Teri (a full circle to the first scenes of season 1).

4. One thing that I know a few of us have considered is the possibility that he either died or was killed offscreen. I really, really doubt that this is the case. For one, I can't imagine that the writers would be that stupid, although they are constantly amazing me. More realistically, though, his death would likely have been an execution, and following Martha Logan's appearance in season 5 I did some research on that. While Tony is almost certainly on death row, and probably wouldn't bother with appeals, etc., the process takes many years and given the time span between seasons 7 and 8 it's just incredibly unlikely and unrealistic.

5. There's no harm in the petition. I don't think any of us have high expectations that it will make much of a difference but it's certainly not going to hurt our chances.

6. There's been some talk of a movie in this thread. While yes, I'd love for Tony to appear, I've always hoped that when they do a movie it would go back in time some a la BSG: Razor. Personally I'd love a pre-season one story, possibly the Nightfall Operation, though given how much time has passed and the actors have changed it's incredibly unlikely. I'd rather see the old Tony explored, preferably with Michelle, instead of the new one.

[Michelleh]

I'm agreeing with Avery's first two points. It would be too ridiculous if he doesn't show up in the later episodes or doesn't get a mention somewhere!

I kinda believe Tony will be back though. But I don't know why, because I really don't think Carlos would lie about something like this.

[BobbyAlmeida]

I always felt like Jack himself alone cannot carry the show in a meaniningful way......I mean, let's face it, Season 6 was dismal with just Jack running around shooting and killing and yelling and screaming at people......and as heart-thumping as it was, the season had no emotional attachment at all....there were no meaningful things to fight for.....

What 24 and Jack needs is that balance and that connection, and that's what Tony provides, that brotherhood connection, someone who will stand up to Jack if he doesn't agree, someone that Jack feels an eternal and very personal connection to. And to be honest, Season 8 is beginning to feel like the start of a Season 6 in a way.....I don't feel for these characters, except maybe little Terri.....I'm not feeling the emotional connection, the new characters I could care less about, and it soon all becomes just Jack running around with Chloe on the comm trying to save the day.....I mean, where is the personal conflict, where is the gritty drama and heartbreak? Where Season 7 had in high amount, Season 8 and 6 seriously lacks......Season 7 worked not only become there was Tony around, it was the brotherhood that was on the line, it was that love and connection, the fight had a personal touch for Jack and for Tony. And it broke our hearts to see the two men who were once the closest of brothers having to stand on opposite sides and become enemies. You cared about the characters that season, the storylines mattered.....

All in all, 24 needs that human connection, that personal and emotional touch, without it, it just becomes another day of Jack Bauer Robot saving the day which could get boring and redundant really quickly....

It saddens me to see that the writers taking the easy way out again and not think about bringing Tony's story into the season. I would have thought that with the huge success of Season 7 and much of it hinged on Carlos Bernard's wonderful performance, that the writers would realize their mistake in taking Tony away and finds ways to bring him into the new seasons. And if they can find ways to bring in the dispicable Charles Logan, I see no reason why Tony couldn't have made a comeback.....